Saturday, April 23, 2005
This Day:

Bonobos (Pan paniscus) are our closest relatives. They are a kind of apes, and are found only in the Congo River basin, and hence are highly endangered :(. We share 98.4% of our DNA, and a lot of what many of us think as exclusively human traits (emotions, tool-making, intelligence, language, consciousness, social bonds, morality, love) are found in bonobo societies as well. Pioneering research by Dr. Sue Savage-Rumbaugh and Takayoshi Kano have helped open a window into the behavior of these apes, and helped show (along with Chimp researchers such as Jane Goodall) that we humans are not so unique after all.

Kanzi, the Bonobo (Courtesy: Wikipedia)
Now scientists are planning a really ambitious attempt that might shine new light on bonobos, and how much we humans share with them. A group of eight bonobos will take part in a unique language research, at the Great Ape Trust near Des Moines, Iowa.
Panbanisha, 19, and her son, Nyota, 7, will arrive first. Later, the matriarch of the group, Matata, will move in with Kanzi, Nathan, Elikya, Maisha and P-Suke (peace-kay). These particular bonobos can speak with symbols, play music, work video games with a joystick, draw and role-play. They like it when the scientists wear animal masks and when they play "tickle," Savage-Rumbaugh said.
The scientists will test the bonobos' musical abilities, counting abilities, moral decisions, love, communication skills, and so on. The bonobos will control access to part of their building, flush their own toilets, help cook meals in their own kitchen, select their own videos to watch and lounge in their own spa-sized tub complete with waterfall :D:D.

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18 Comments:

At April 25, 2005 8:50 AM, Blogger wise donkey said...
Phew 98.4% !!
Interesting post, and was suprised on the morality part.

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re.the discussion in previous post, no i am not offended and thanks for deleting the comment.

I agree with you.

I perceived the question,on how it makes me feel? i.e do I feel repressed.
And the answer to that was no. At the same time I acknowledge that others could feel repressed and of course I would support them and I definitely do Not approve of the practise of tellin people what they can and cant wear.
I have disappointed many on this, including perhaps my family, but I rather be honest and sound a hypocrite than be hypocritic with myself:)

I accept that I need not be right, all the time and I am not all that I would aspire to be:) And in the context of your question, I think i have responsibilities to my family too, and at the moment, I dont indulge in any activity which conflicts with it:)

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And hey I think I finally managed to use the code. Agree its no big deal, but it did take time to understand for me, especially the part of blogger referencing and tryin to match the template code with the output code:)
 
At April 25, 2005 9:38 AM, Blogger Sray said...
First, congrats for understanding my code :D:D:D.

Whether you feel repressed or not, is a totally private and personal issue. There are many women who do not feel repressed when their husbands beat them. But that does not mean that it has to be right, in the larger social context. But then, you have to try to convince these women that they perhaps are wrong, and at the same time, also respect their beliefs. It is a very fine line to walk, I think :-).

I admire you for acknowledging that you might not always be right, and still striving to be honest with yourself. But, I suspect there must be some line that you will not allow the government/society to cross, when it comes to your personal liberties! And sure, you do have responsibilities to your family, but then the family perhaps should give you the oppurtunities and freedom to express yourself the way you want to. Again, it is a delicate balance. To each to decide where the balancing line should be :-).

I personally believe, that men and women should have the same rights, and responsibilities (except in cases where biology intrudes, of course). In the personal sphere, some wives (or husbands) might choose to do things differently, but that is because they love their partner, and are ready to do some sacrifice. But the State should not dictate where that line is!

I was glad to delete that comment. I should have been more careful... thanks for putting me straight :)).
 
At April 25, 2005 10:20 AM, Blogger wise donkey said...
:))
actually what u say is very true, just because an individual doesnt feel repressed doesnt make it right for everyone.

where do i draw the line? well when it comes to discussions,or advise,etc i base my opinions, not on what i feel, but on what i think, which goes along with what u said.

but in order to feel good about myself when it comes to personal choices, i go by what i feel comfortable with:)
and accept responsibility for it.
(and dont believe in blamin family etc, they influence my decision, but the decision and choices are always mine)

and of course the degree of my "activism" depends on the country, mainly because i think, being an Indian, i will be more effective, in India then in any other country.
 
At April 25, 2005 10:22 AM, Blogger wise donkey said...
well the country doesnt matter in blogspot, but things did get very unpleasant and personal in o3 and i didnt want o3 bloggers comin across it:D

and the code was neat, its just that i was too lazy to understand javascript and tried copy pasting without thinking:D
 
At April 25, 2005 11:17 AM, Blogger Sray said...
Hmm.. but I dont see the statistics on your page! Where did you put it?

Abt. o3, there are jerks everywhere. So I guess you have to steer clear of them, and not give them any more encouragement than they deserve :-).
 
At April 25, 2005 12:11 PM, Blogger wise donkey said...
Well i guess i didnt do it right. i tested in eggshots well now the prob is it displays the comments on the main page itself,for each post and it counts the comments for each post i think. guess it has to do with the placement:) wil work on it tommorrow.
Thanks:)
 
At April 25, 2005 1:02 PM, Blogger Sray said...
Yaa.. it was Koko. But it was a gorilla, not a guerilla :)).

The apes are emotional creatures, and can love and feel for their human ad animal friends. Koko, for example, had a kitten as a pet!, and expressed her love for the kitten using sign language :).
 
At April 26, 2005 7:03 AM, Blogger LEMNA said...
Heyyy I like them!!!Can you send one for me?the American one!!!:D
 
At April 26, 2005 7:07 AM, Blogger Sray said...
American type? There are no bonobos in America!! Hmmm....... ;-);-);-)...
 
At April 26, 2005 1:48 PM, Blogger Wayne Smallman said...
I've watched a program on television about the Bonobos chimps and while they share a lot of our more noble characteristics, they're also highly promiscuous and very docile.

By way of contrast, about a stones throw from where these guys live is another breed of chimp that is quite the opposite in that they are very hierarchical and extremely aggressive...
 
At April 26, 2005 2:21 PM, Blogger Sray said...
Bonobos and chimps split about 2 million years ago. Bonbos live in humid forests south of Zaire river, and chimps live on the northern banks. A population of apes were somehow split in two by the river, and never mated again (as chimps and bonobos are afraid of water and do not know swimming). The two groups then evolved very differently :-).
 
At April 26, 2005 7:07 PM, Blogger Wayne Smallman said...
It's strange that chimps should have such an aversion to water when gorillas [or at least some of them] are water-dwellers...
 
At April 26, 2005 7:26 PM, Blogger Sray said...
Similar examples exist elsewhere too! For example, cats dont like water that much, but Indian Tigers are a big exception.
 
At April 27, 2005 12:11 AM, Blogger Sray said...
What you say is quite true. But, dont forget that males have X and Y chromosomes, while females have two X chromosomes. Which means that even though the Y chromosome is shrunk, males do have access to all the genes that females have on X! In that sense, the functional difference between male and female should not be the difference of a X chromosome, but that of a Y chromosome.
 
At April 27, 2005 3:28 AM, Blogger LEMNA said...
I want the American type of Bonobos:((:D
 
At April 27, 2005 3:54 AM, Blogger Sray said...
How do American bonobos look like? I dont know... perhaps you can tell me?? :D:D:D.
 
At April 27, 2005 6:08 AM, Blogger LEMNA said...
They do look like my Rain:D:DThat's why they are lovely:D:DI have to find a husband/wife for my Rain:D
 
At April 27, 2005 8:15 AM, Blogger Sray said...
Ask you Rain to come here, and I will find him/her a suitable wife/husband :D:D:D.
 

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