Monday, May 09, 2005
This Day:

Black Holes are objects with such immense gravitational fields that nothing can escape from its attraction, including light. Black Holes range in size from as low as few solar masses (e.g. V4641 Sgr), to billions of solar masses (e.g. at the center of our Milky Way galaxy). Now for the first time, the birth of a Black Hole has been captured. According to Neil Gehrels of NASA, the Swift orbiting observatory detected the Gamma Ray Burst of the collision between two dense Neutron Stars (stars composed entirely of neutrons), which combined to create a Black Hole.

Swift Observatory (Courtesy: MSSL)
Gamma Ray Bursts (GRB) are the most enigmatic events in the universe. These bursts release stupendous amounts of energy (equivalent to our Sun's total energy output over its life-time) in a fraction of a second. So powerful are these blasts, that if one were to occur within 6000 light years, life on Earth might be threatened!
The GRB created by the collision was seen across the whole universe. The satellite recorded the x-rays from the collision, but the visible light was too faint to be detected by the satellite. But ground-based telescopes were able to see the aftermath of the collision. The collision matched what theorists had predicted would happen when two neutron stars collide, helping solve a 30 year old mystery.

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12 Comments:

At May 10, 2005 12:14 AM, Blogger wise donkey said...
is it frequent? - the collision between 2 dense neutron stars, or is it rare?

and the 30 year old mystery being?

(i saw horizon last week on bbc, where they had mentioned gamma rays bursts some years back and the different theories and finally i think they arrived at star nurseries..
are both these gamma ray bursts similar? )
 
At May 10, 2005 12:18 AM, Blogger Sray said...
It is rare, though scientists are not sure how rare. The 30 year mystery was regarding how much energy output would there be, and what the distribution will be across the frequency spectrum.

There are different possible causes to GRBs. One is the explosion of supernovae, which can blast powerful GRBs into space. Another is formation of black holes (like in this post), or collision/merging of two or more black holes. There might be other exotic blasts/collisions that we do not know much about.
 
At May 10, 2005 1:19 AM, Blogger wise donkey said...
thanks:)
and btw the sci news links on the page are also interesting:).
 
At May 10, 2005 4:52 AM, Blogger Onkroes said...
"Another is formation of black holes"

How sure are they? There are a number of very widely supported theories that Black Holes cannot form now because there is not enough energy. And that all the Black Holes in the Universe (not that we know how many there are) were formed at the Big Bang. Could this merely be a Superdense Neutron Star?
 
At May 10, 2005 4:59 AM, Blogger Onkroes said...
""The birth cry of a black hole is one way people like to put it," Gehrels said"

Quote from the ABC story. He's the scientist reporting it, and they found it early yesterday morning (not much time for analysis so far then).

Are there any other sources for this story? The story on ABC doesn't give anywhere near enough information, and refers to fairly sensationalist quotes like the one above with no supporting evidence. I'm not calling the guy a liar (obviously), but it is easy to see what you want to see (and interpret how you want to interpret).

Unless there is a lot more evidence, I'm still in the "can't form due to insufficient energy" camp on Black Holes. But I'm prepared to be wrong.
 
At May 10, 2005 5:03 AM, Blogger wise donkey said...
black holes cant be formed now???
 
At May 10, 2005 6:48 AM, Blogger Sray said...
"There are a number of very widely supported theories that Black Holes cannot form now"

Where did you get that?! According to classical physics, a black hole would form when the mass exceeds a few solar masses (Chandrasekhar got his Nobel Prize for determining this limit, which is around 5 solar masses). Now in Quantum physics, there are some other constraints, and black holes can evaporate and so on, but no one (at least no one who is well known or peer-reviewed) is saying that black holes cannot form!!

Large black holes couldnt have formed during the big bang, as the universe wasnt large enough at that time to support so many big black holes. There is a possibility that miniature black holes were created, but they are different from the large black holes we see at the cores of galaxies such as ours.

Could this merely be a superdense neutron star? I dont think so, as the masses of the two neutron stars must have already been computed (by the way they revolved around each other), and if the total mass exceeded a few solar masses, they will form a black hole. Also, it matches all the theoretical predictions, so it is very likely that this is a black hole that was formed.

Abt. other sources... check this one from NASA.
 
At May 10, 2005 7:31 AM, Blogger Onkroes said...
"Where did you get that?!"

That's the problem with not being a scientist, and not being my field, etc. I don't remember the sources! I'll do some digging and see if I can find them, but I do accept what you're saying (I'm sure you know better than I on this one).
 
At May 10, 2005 12:14 PM, Anonymous Anonymous said...
Amazing blog mate!!
 
At May 10, 2005 12:39 PM, Blogger Sray said...
Thanks! Please visit again :-).
 
At May 10, 2005 1:20 PM, Blogger Unknown said...
Couldnt check ur blog for 2 days! Ok.... the solar sail is finally sailin off! Ysyyy!

Hey! Crapper has found his way here!

And is black hole formation the ONLY theory that sez that there should be a visible light after glow for a GRB? How conclusive are these? Saw its article on space.com. Didnt convince me that a black hole birth could be the only reason
 
At May 10, 2005 3:22 PM, Blogger Sray said...
Sudhir: The science is not yet complete. But the amount of energy that is released can come only from two sources: large supernovae, and collisions of black-holes / neutron-stars. There might be other processes too, but we dont know them yet. If it were a supernova, the light would stay for a while. For black-holes the energy flare decays immediately. Since that is what happened here, scientists suspect a black hole has been formed.

Gindy: First time witnessed, yes. But many more GRBs take place on average than are detected. Pictures: I think they might release a afterglow shot, but since the energy decayed very rapidly, it might not be visually spectacular. But I might be wrong. More details on the burst is here.

NLI: Yaa.. a spoonful of neutron-star matter weighs about a ton or so! It sounds extra-ordinary, but you must remember that atoms are mostly empty spaces (if nucleus is a grain of salt, the atom will be the size of a house!!), and if all space is filled with neutrons, you get neutronal matter.
 

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