Saturday, May 07, 2005
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One very elegant way of travelling inside the Solar System is by using a Solar Sail. In such a system, the spacecraft unfurls a large, lightweight sail which reflects light from the Sun or some other source. The radiation pressure on the sail provides thrust by absorbing (for black sail) or reflecting (for reflective sail) photons. In one my previous posts, I talked about a NASA experiment to test a solar sail in a vacuum chamber that will simulate the space environment. Now a more ambitious proposal by The Planetary Society and the Cosmos Studios plans to test a concept Solar Sail (named Cosmos 1) in space within the next few weeks :).

Cosmos 1 (Courtesy: The Planetary Society)
The most amazing thing about this project is that it is not funded by any government! Cosmos 1 has 8 triangular sails, each 15 meters (50 feet) in length, configured around the spacecraft's body at the center. The sails will be deployed by inflatable tubes once the spacecraft is in orbit. The spacecraft will be launched from a submerged Russian submarine in the Barents Sea. It will be carried into orbit on board a Volna rocket - a converted ICBM left over from the old Soviet arsenal.
Cosmos 1 will orbit the Earth at an altitude of over 800 kilometers. It will gradually raise its orbit by solar sailing -- the pressure of light particles from the Sun upon its luminous sails. According to the Planetary Society, the launch will take place sometime before May 30 this year.
Perhaps some day, we will see Solar sails transporting supplies between space-stations and planetary bases across our Solar System :):). Hopefully, in our lifetime....

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At May 08, 2005 8:04 AM, Blogger wise donkey said...
:)) yes real amazing
 
At May 08, 2005 10:37 AM, Blogger Akruti said...
Thanku:) for the reply at my blog,not everyone can understand:)
 
At May 09, 2005 2:02 PM, Blogger Sray said...
But a limited government support works wonders... e.g. the SpaceShip-One, where a prize money was set up. US govt. could do some things like that stir up researchers, and also that will give media coverage to a lot of things, and then the sponsors (industrial and private) will come in hordes.
 
At May 09, 2005 9:25 PM, Blogger Tupinambah said...
Great project and it is not sponsored by any government!
 
At May 10, 2005 3:25 PM, Blogger Sray said...
Abt. the SpaceShip One costs, I googled it, and found this link. It seems that the total cost till June last year was abt. $20 million. So, the prize has been about 30-40% of the development cost. But $20-30 mil is quite small!! I expected something bigger than that.
 

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Friday, May 06, 2005
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Almost every elevator in use today consists of an elaborate contraption of gears, pulleys and shock absorbers. Not only such elevators are bulky and hard to install, they are also more prone to breakdowns. Scientists from Daytona Elevators, a company based in Argentina and Florida, have finally developed a elevator worthy of the 21st century. The elevator (for one person use) is a metre in diameter and almost entirely transparent, providing the passengers with a panoramic view during their ride. Made from lightweight Aluminium and polycarbonate, the installation is a breeze.

Vacuum Elevator (Courtesy: Daytona Elevator)
The working principle is very simple. A piston depressurizes the region above the passenger capsule. The capsule is then lifted by the higher atmospheric pressure at the bottom (not unlike the way a aircraft wing lifts the plane up during flight). While coming down, a valve at the top regulates the air pressure to allow a smooth descent. A braking system ensures smooth stopping of the capsule in case of pressure malfunctions.
The elevator costs between $20,000 and $22,000. It is silent, consumes very little power, and can be installed in small spaces. A video of its operation can be found here (MPEG 3.2MB).

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At May 07, 2005 1:05 PM, Blogger Akruti said...
Hey this sure looks so good and easy to instal kind.will it be available in India anytime soon?
 
At May 07, 2005 1:11 PM, Blogger Sray said...
No idea :-). But I am sure it can be imported by big firms, hotels and so on. And the concept is quite simple too!
 
At May 07, 2005 1:40 PM, Blogger Unknown said...
Isnt it hard to maintain air-proofness in the long run? What if there is a leak? Isnt it harder(and/or costlier) to repair this system?

But anyway, whatever be the maintenance and repair effort, it is wonderful to have a panoramic view. And a welcome addition to a glitzy place.
 
At May 07, 2005 1:49 PM, Blogger wise donkey said...
well anything consumes less power, wonderful i guess:)
and looks good too:)
 
At May 07, 2005 2:08 PM, Blogger Sray said...
Sudhir: As long as the chamber above the capsule is air-tight (can be achieved by suitable rubber seals), there shouldnt be any problem. And it should be far easier to repair this system, as there are very few moving parts (unlike a traditional elevator). And yaa, the view should be great :-).

Nothing Like it: Let me know when you have built the mansion. I would go check it out sometime ;-).

WD: Yup!
 
At May 07, 2005 2:39 PM, Blogger Unknown said...
How relaiable are these rubber seals? Wont they just rip off due to some reason or the other? Yea, it might be easier to repair just coz of its simplicity!
 
At May 07, 2005 3:14 PM, Blogger Sray said...
Industry-standard seals are quite strong and reliable. They are even used in space shuttles (O-rings), and some regular inspection would be needed I think... but nothing major.
 
At May 07, 2005 5:32 PM, Blogger Tupinambah said...
Thanks for your warm welcome. Yesterday I came back to my dear England with good sun but cold as usual. I'm going to start again my blogg.
Unfortunately I miss elections but amaized with the results...
George Galloway was a nice surprise. I still don't know about our local politics.
Namaste. Inte (informal see you soon)
 
At May 07, 2005 5:43 PM, Blogger Sray said...
Hi Lucia :-).. nice to see you back on home-turf :)):)). Yaa... I did watch quite a bit of the elections (it was simulcast here), and it was quite a lot of fun! British elections have so much common with the Indian elections, that it was a bit of nostalgia for me!

Galloway was a pleasant surprise. No wonder Blair wants to focus on "domestic agenda".. he hope people will forget about the Iraq War. LOL!

adeus, phir milenge (See you later) :D:D.
 
At May 11, 2005 2:06 PM, Blogger Unknown said...
what is the safety record in it ?...interesting idea !! but is there a plan B in this plan ?
ciao
krishna
 
At May 11, 2005 2:33 PM, Blogger Sray said...
Hi Krishna :-). The company site says that it is safe. And also, since there will be speed-breakers, if the lift fails, it shouldnt be a problem. And since it is transparent, it wont be long before someone notices!
 

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Thursday, May 05, 2005
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After the formation of the Sun and the planets from a interstellar cloud of gas, the matter that was left behind coalesced into the asteroids, meteors, and comets, and a halo of rocks beyond the orbit of Neptune (50AU from Sun), collectively known as the Kuiper Belt. Scientists have long suspected that a occasional nudge or gravitational instability (due to a passing star, or attraction by the larger planets such as Neptune and Uranus) could and should push one or more of these rocks towards the Sun. These rocks then end up as meteors, only to crash into the Sun or planets, or get captured as a moon of a large planet.

Phoebe (Courtesy: NASA)
Recent observations by the Cassini craft orbiting the Saturnian system have now confirmed that the moon Phoebe was once a member of the Kuiper Belt. Such inward motion by Kuiper-Belt objects have been theorized before. Most notably, it is possible that the meteorite that helped kill off the dinosaurs some 65 million years ago, was indeed such an object. Similarly, an ancient interaction with Saturn left the moon Phoebe as its prisoner. Before Cassini flew by the moon, little if anything was known about it. During the encounter, scientists got the first detailed look at Phoebe, which allowed them to determine its makeup and mass. With the new information they have concluded that it has an outer solar system origin, like Pluto and other Kuiper Belt objects.
It seems that Phoebe has a totally different ratio of rock and ice, as compared to other Saturnian moons. Its density is about 1.6 g/cc, much lighter than most rocks but heavier than pure ice, which is about 0.93 g/cc. This suggests a composition of ice and rock similar to that of Pluto and Neptune's moon Triton. Whether Saturn's other moons are also prisoners from the Kuiper's Belt remains to be seen.

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At May 06, 2005 9:59 PM, Blogger Unknown said...
How big is this thing? Tried googling around. Tried wiki. Couldnt find it! By looking at the size of the craters, i somehow feel its too tiny. How big or small a rock can u call a satellite?

Just looked at the wiki and found that, to date, Saturn has 46 natural moons!(Whoa! I remember those good ol' days at school when it was 18 in our books). Probably its becaue it is quite close to the Kuiper and asteroid belts. But shouldnt Neptune and Jupiter have more than Saturn in that case?
 
At May 06, 2005 10:40 PM, Blogger Sray said...
You can get more details about Phoebe here. I also updated a link to the moon inside the post. It has a mean diameter of 220km, so it is quite small.

Neptune and Uranus are smaller than Saturn, and Jupiter is farther away from the Kuiper Belt than Saturn is. So it is more likely that Saturn will have captured more Kuiper Belt objects.
 
At May 07, 2005 2:08 AM, Blogger wise donkey said...
interesting, also on that a meteorite travelled all that way re the dinosaurs.

what abt the asteroid belt near mars, would they also behave similarly.

and why do some hit while others become like satellites, it has to do with size of it or also other factors like its speed, and things like gravitational force of the planet etc?
 
At May 07, 2005 2:17 AM, Blogger wise donkey said...
checked the link,
Phoebe was discovered in 1899 !!!
 
At May 07, 2005 6:34 AM, Blogger Sray said...
Asteroid belt objects behave similarly too. They get nudged due to collisions, or by the gravitational effects of the big brother Jupiter.

Abt. why some hit and some become satellites... yes, it depends on size, angle of approach, speed, and so on :-).
 
At May 07, 2005 7:48 AM, Blogger Unknown said...
Yea! So Jupiter should have grabbed a lot of satellites from the asteroid belt. That was my point!
 
At May 07, 2005 7:54 AM, Blogger Unknown said...
Oh! It was right there on the wiki. What has happened to my searching skills?
 
At May 07, 2005 7:59 AM, Blogger Sray said...
Yaa.. Jupiter captures/captured a many from the asteroid belt. Saturn captures from the Kuiper belt. Nice division of labor, there!
 
At May 07, 2005 1:34 PM, Blogger Unknown said...
So shouldnt Jupiter have more moons because of greater pull? Or is it inversely proportional to mass? Or is the Kuiper belt denser than the asteroid belt?
 
At May 07, 2005 2:05 PM, Blogger Sray said...
It doesnt work quite that way. Since Jupiter has more pull, asteroids have a tendency to crash into Jupiter than go around it in orbit (Note the Shoemaker-Levy-9 comet). Kuiper Belt is more dense, but it is also farther than the asteroid belt.
 
At May 07, 2005 3:09 PM, Blogger Unknown said...
Got the hang of it!
 

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Wednesday, May 04, 2005
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The processes that created our Solar System are quite well understood. About 4.56 billion years ago, plumes of gas ejected by a local supernova (as well as ejecta from other stars, and interstellar materials) started collapsing under its own gravitational force. The central region of the collapsing gas grew larger, and slowly an accretion disk formed around it. After a few million years, the central region got so dense that nuclear fusion started at its core: we had the birth of our Sun. The accretion disk slowly coalesced into the planets and asteroids, and the left over material formed comets and meteors. Now for the first time, scientists have precisely dated the age of this seminal event, and how long it took the gases to coalesce into the Sun and planets.

Allende Meteorite (Courtesy: LLNL)
Chondrules are small silicate spheres in many meteorites, and represent the oldest solid material within our solar system and are believed to be the building blocks of the planetary system. Another common component of meteorites are the Calcium Aluminium-rich inclusions (CAIs). By looking at the content of these two in the primitive meteorite Allende (fell on Mexico in 1869), Lawrence Livermore Lab physicist Ian Hutcheon, with colleagues from the University of Hawaii at Manoa, the Tokyo Institute of Technology and the Smithsonian Institution, found that the age difference between them points directly to the lifetime of the solar nebula.
The researchers found that CAIs were formed in an oxygen-rich environment and date to 4.567 billion years old, while chondrules were formed in an oxygen setting much like that on Earth and date to 4.565 billion, or less, years old. Therefore, it took about 2 million years for the solar nebula to coalesce, and form the Sun and planets, including Earth :):). Also, the age of the Earth is therefore quite precisely fixed at between 4.565 and 4.567 billion years! :D.

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At May 06, 2005 7:11 AM, Blogger Unknown said...
1) What tells that chondrules were before the coalescion.

2) Couldnt the CAIs be formed before ethe coalescion........ in oxygen rich environments in the post supernova times.

And yea, i did my exams ok.
 
At May 06, 2005 7:13 AM, Blogger Onkroes said...
"oxygen-rich environment and date to 4.567 billion years old", "oxygen setting much like that on Earth and date to 4.565 billion"

Do I understand that correct - was there an oxygen environment (environment not= atmosphere) around 4½ billion years ago? Why did it take that long for life to form? What happened to that oxygen in all those years?

And... is this a proposed theory or is there fairly firm scientific support for it?
 
At May 06, 2005 7:19 AM, Blogger Sray said...
Sudhir: Good luck with the results :-). Well, you cannot have a oxygen rich 'atmosphere' in space, because of the thin material density. So this material (CAIs) has to be formed after the planets were already formed.

Onkroes: Yes, that is what the scientists are suggesting. And it has been accepted for publication in Nature, and the work looks quite comprehensive. Also, the age of the Earth was already known to be around 4.6 Billion years (through radio-active dating), so this is an independent confirmation.

Also, oxygen is actually harmful for life. Oxygen is highly reactive, and any initial life-forming chemicals would be destroyed in an oxygen-rich atmosphere. Only in later periods, when oxygen concentration went down (as oxygen combined with carbon and silicon to form carbonates, CO2 and silicates) did life finally start. Once life had adequate protection against the harmful oxygen, it could adapt to an increasing oxygen content (brought about by photosynthesis).
 
At May 06, 2005 7:21 AM, Blogger Sray said...
Sudhir: the chondrules are before coalescion, as there were mixed in with radioactive particles which were dated from that era. Also, there was no evidence of melting and re-solidifying, so it is quite unlikely to be from post-coalescion period.
 
At May 06, 2005 8:46 AM, Blogger wise donkey said...
interesting:)
 
At May 06, 2005 1:00 PM, Blogger Dawn said...
Hi..am new here..but this reminded me my geology classes & professors
Thnx, good to read!
 
At May 06, 2005 1:18 PM, Blogger Sray said...
Hi Dawn, thanks for visiting :-).
 
At May 06, 2005 4:53 PM, Blogger Sray said...
Haha! I wonder why, since Bible tells them that god created the universe in six days. How can they then agree about the 4.6 Billion year old Earth, and still rally against evolution? I thought that if you take Bible literally, you have to take the whole of it literally.
 
At May 06, 2005 5:22 PM, Blogger Sray said...
I think it is a fact... but perhaps other independent groups can test different pieces of this meteorite (after all, it was a tonne in weight!) and verify the results.

Also, it reaffirms other independent conclusions, from radio-isotope dating, stellar modelling, and so on. As more such studies point to the same conclusion, the confidence level becomes quite high indeed.
 
At May 06, 2005 9:34 PM, Blogger Unknown said...
At the evolution and bible thing: I think that they feel insecure/insulted when thinking about themselves as descendants of apes. No such feelings for the earth being made 4.6 billion years ago instead of 4000.
 
At May 08, 2005 8:32 AM, Blogger Sray said...
Lucretia: I did look into that site, it seems like a conspiracy theory thing! But most of the pictures I think can be explained away in other ways... for example, due to image contrast, shadowing, scale/resolution issues, and so on...

Lots of images... can you point to me some of them that you found really intriguing? And I will try to address those images :-):-).
 

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Tuesday, May 03, 2005
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In this age of global warming and pollution, it is imperative that we find cleaner sources of energy. Some alternatives, such as hydrogen-powered fuel cells are quite appealing, since the exhaust from such cells is pure water. However, Hydrogen, being a gas, occupies a large volume, and this is hampering any real development in this area. Now researchers from National Institute of Science and Technology (Taner Yildirim) and Turkey's Bilkent University (Salim Ciraci) have developed a new model for a metal-laced Carbon Nano-tube, which can latch on to hydrogen molecules in numbers more than adequate for efficient hydrogen storage, a capability key to long-term efforts to develop fuel cells.

Model: Titanium-Blue, Hydrogen-Red (Courtesy: NIST)
Carbon nanotubes are tubes composed entirely of carbon atoms, and often composed of a chain of carbon rings (picture here). Calculations by the researchers show that if decorated with Titanium or other transition metals, such tubes can attract Hydrogen atoms, which get attached to the Titanium atoms. The total weight of Hydrogen can be upto 8% of the weight of the tubes, which exceeds the standard of 6% specified by the FreedomCar Research Partnership involving the US Department of Energy and USA's "Big 3" automakers. Moreover, if heated, the Titanium atoms readily give up four attached Hydrogen atoms! Such reversible desorption is another requirement for practical Hydrogen storage.
The new results, obtained with a method for calculating the electronic structure of materials, surprised the researchers. Interactions among Carbon, Titanium and Hydrogen seem to give rise to unusual attractive forces. The upshot is that four Hydrogen molecules can dock on a Titanium atom, apparently by means of a unique chemical bond of modest strength. Several forces at work within the geometric arrangement appear to play a role in the reversible tethering of Hydrogen.
The results are the first glimmer of hope in sustainable storage of Hydrogen in mass quantities. If developed, this technology should allow vehicles to have a nanotube-based fuel tank, capable of storing large quantities of Hydrogen in a small enough volume to be of practical use :).

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At May 04, 2005 9:36 PM, Blogger Unknown said...
Is it just adsorption, or anything more than that?

U mustve heard of NEC's nanotube fuel cells for cellphones (methanol based).(http://www.labs.nec.co.jp/
Eng/Topics/data/r010830/). Combining these two techs together, we'll have fuel cells everywhere and soon!

And yea, if the fuel cells are hydrogen based, instead of methanol based, then how will there be enough hydrogen for everybody, if it becomes a huge success?

You may say that, u can split water. But effectively, u r doing and undoping a reaction. So, there's no net energy gain. In fact, there'll be a loss due to inefficiencies in energy conversion.
 
At May 04, 2005 9:42 PM, Blogger Sray said...
I have heard of the NEC fuel cell. As you said, the current technology doesnt allow a large-scale, efficient production of Hydrogen, as it is energy-inefficient. But lets think beyond the current technology.

Suppose in 10 years, nuclear fusion becomes practical. Then, such a technology can be used to split the water, and store Hydrogen in nano-tube tanks! Then a hydrogen economy is not only possible, but feasible as well.

Even without a fusion economy, it perhaps makes sense to manufacture Hydrogen using other techniques (coal, petroleum, methanol) on a large scale, as it will be more efficient (and with right filters, less polluting) than burning gasoline in millions of cars. Hydrogen can then be used in cars and other devices... and the production of Hydrogen can be through more and more efficient methods, as technology matures.
 
At May 04, 2005 9:46 PM, Blogger Sray said...
But of course, I am not trying to address the issue of cost here. It will definitely cost a lot to convert to a pure Hydrogen (or something else) based economy. I am only addressing the technical side of the problem.
 
At May 04, 2005 9:52 PM, Blogger Unknown said...
"it perhaps makes sense to manufacture Hydrogen using other techniques (coal, petroleum,"

But isnt it better to burn them directly rather than going thru indirect methods?

And btw, where do u work? u seem to be lookin up ur blog, thruout the day!
 
At May 04, 2005 10:03 PM, Blogger Sray said...
It is better... but it could be more inefficient. And of course, once we move to fusion-based economy, we can keep the cars running on Hydrogen!

I am in Grad School, so have considerably more freedom than most. And when anyone writes a comment, I get a notification mail, and will reply if it is worth it :-).
 
At May 04, 2005 10:10 PM, Blogger Unknown said...
which subjext? which university?

Does sray stand for sting ray?
 
At May 04, 2005 10:20 PM, Blogger Sray said...
LOL... no, 's' doesnt stand for 'sting' :)). And I want to stay anonymous, pal... I like it that way :-).
 
At May 05, 2005 2:31 AM, Blogger Unknown said...
fine........ sorry!
 
At May 05, 2005 2:32 AM, Blogger Unknown said...
But u can atleat tell which subject or branch!
 
At May 05, 2005 5:48 AM, Blogger Onkroes said...
I'm sorry to always be the negative one, partly because I love technology so much and wish everyone did, but....

Cost is not the only factor - there have to be overriding reasons that make the major motor manufacturers (for example) go this way.

Patents are one way (do you know if this research is being patented) for companies to recoup not only the cost of research but also the cost of conversion. But Esso/Shell/BP/etc. are not going to willingly move from a petroleum based economy to a hydrogen based one without not only considerable financial incentives, but probably pressure from world governments (which just isn't happening - witness what the US government is doing with US oil companies).

I think this technology sounds great, but I don't think it's the 'breakthrough' event in energy production/storage that we need.

I'm not knocking the research mind!
 
At May 05, 2005 5:50 AM, Blogger Onkroes said...
Speaking of large scale gas conversion - how about terraforming Venus (or at least it's atmosphere)?
 
At May 05, 2005 6:06 AM, Blogger Unknown said...
Yeah. Just think about replacing all petrol bunks with Hydrogen bunks. Petrol has pipelines and all. The invention needed now, is to safely store and distribute hydrogen on a large scale. Only then eill it be useful to even think of political issues!
 
At May 05, 2005 6:11 AM, Blogger Sray said...
Sudhir: I will pass on that one for now, I hope you dont mind :-).

Onkroes: I agree with you. But science proceeds at its own pace, and then a totally new industry opens up. I dont think the gas pumps are going to disappear overnight. Instead, there might be a gradual shift... if we are able to provide Hydrogen in a more affordable manner. But I agree, a lot of pressure/resolutions/initiatives from the World Governments is probably required.

Sudhir: True. Once the basic technical issues are all ironed out, some enterprising businessperson will think of some new application (e.g. hydrogen powered aircrafts... you get the buoyancy from hydrogen, and can also use it as fuel!), and then slowly a new niche will open.
 
At May 05, 2005 6:11 AM, Blogger wise donkey said...
still trying to absorb the post and the discussion, sounds interesting
 
At May 05, 2005 6:12 AM, Blogger Sray said...
Sudhir... if I told you my field of research, I assure you, it wont take you long to find out my identity :-). Thanks for understanding!
 
At May 05, 2005 6:14 AM, Blogger Sray said...
WD, the technology is interesting on its own merits. Onkroes is right that it will take a lot of effort to make it commercial on a large scale.. but... small steps like this might mature into big things in a decade or so, things we do not have any inkling of right at this moment.
 
At May 05, 2005 7:38 AM, Blogger Unknown said...
Back to flying on hydrogen ballons! Only this time u burn the hydrogen!

And never mind abt knowin ur field! Just was a lil curious looking at the diverdity in ur posts - nanotech, space, bio and all.
 
At May 05, 2005 7:43 AM, Blogger Sray said...
Sorry for that, Sudhir.. thanks for understanding! Will tell you this much, professionally, I am *not* in any of those three fields you mention :D:D.
 
At May 05, 2005 8:21 AM, Blogger Unknown said...
ok..... Hmmmm, u r a very interesting character!

Urs is one of the few blogs that ive got addicted to recently! So adiicted that i am reading ur blog and commenting, inspite of having an exam 2moorow! Keep up the good work!
 
At May 05, 2005 10:04 AM, Blogger Akruti said...
Ok,it went out of my head,bouncer:(( so will read it again,but when started reading the comments i understood a bit of it,Well,if i tell any of my friends that i am reading abt science and technology and Hydrogen they would faint:((
Hmm,so u want to remain in dark,ok,good,i was abt to ask u,"R u a scientist? :))))
 
At May 05, 2005 11:56 AM, Blogger Sray said...
Sudhir: LOL! But now, dont come back and tell me you didnt do well in exams because of my blog :)). Thanks a lot, though :-).

Akruti: Well, it is this. Hydrogen, being a gas, occupies a lot of space, so transporting it is not that easy. If we could find a way to compress it, so that it occupied a smaller volume, it would be so much easier. But your garden-variety compression increases pressure (like inside a butane tank), and that is dangerous as well.
So scientists have now come up with this new technique, in which hydrogen atoms are attracted to a nano-mesh (very fine mesh of Carbon and Titanium). As the atoms get attached to the mesh, you can store a lot of hydrogen in a small space. Now this can be useful for fuel-cell applications, for example, driving cars that run on pure hydrogen.

Got it? Let me know if there are doubts still :-).
 
At May 05, 2005 12:31 PM, Blogger Akruti said...
Dont laugh but they are going to compress it like we compress lot of data into a zip file without changing or altering the data:))) i know,i know,u must be laughingout loud:(( but thanks,now i understand it well and u know how i felt:) like a student,and u sounded like a teacher explaining it to a 5yr kid,pheww,thankuuuuuuuu:) And akruti is neelima,did u get that??
 
At May 05, 2005 12:41 PM, Blogger Sray said...
Yaa... I know Akruti is Neelima :-). But now I am confused about your real name :)). I used Akruti so that the other readers do not get confused about whom I am referring to.
 
At May 05, 2005 12:59 PM, Blogger Akruti said...
lol,my real name is Neelima,My blog URL is Akruti,{giving shape to my thoughts.hope the confusion is over now,Neelima means blue sky:) and u dint tell me if u laughedout after reading my comment:( and u dint tell me if ur a scientist,the only scientists i know are from DRDO,my mom is a technical officer there:)
 
At May 05, 2005 1:02 PM, Blogger wise donkey said...
:) well even i am addicted like sudhir,to this blog:)

btw whats "how about terraforming Venus (or at least it's atmosphere)? " was it reference to the hydrogen available in venus??

=== unrelated to this post.
some months back i saw a prg in bbc (i think it was exploration series) wherein a person who was partially visually challenged (ie could see with only one eye) had participated in an experiment.
words were flashed on the monitor and he was "seeing" with the eye with which he couldnt see and the good eye was covered and he had to draw what came in his mind.
he had no idea on the words flashed on the screen. yet he could draw them. and even after seeing the drawin had no clue on the words, later.
(i think this had to do with communication between left right brain) but i still didnt understand parts of it, and would like to more on that topic, (just for interest). any idea where i can find more on it. couldnt get when i searched thru bbc.

only if its not a prob and doesnt take ur time:)
 
At May 05, 2005 1:04 PM, Blogger Sray said...
I did laugh out loud :))... as I am doing now... but only in the inside (as I am at work, and people will think I am mad!) :D:D:D.

I am a graduate student in The New York area. So I guess that qualifies as a scientist... but as you know, research is often in a narrow field of expertise, and I wanted to write a very broad blog on science and technology which has nothing to do with my research in particular. Hopefully, this blog serves that purpose :-):-).

And again, I really like your blog. Even scientists have had experiences in life that they cherish, and your blog helps me relive those memories :-). Lots of thanks for that, Neelima-ji :):):).
 
At May 05, 2005 1:22 PM, Blogger Akruti said...
Ohhhhhhh,ok,so ur into Research,well,i have a very wrong opinion that scientific { i am always doubtful abt the spelling} ppl are so busy always that they dont have time for personal feelings:) well,i am wrong i guess,huh,i am wrong,i know that,just for fun.I think every person is entitled and feels certain emotions,some know how to put it in words and some cannot,but doesnt mean they cannot feel.And i know u laughed,how can someone not when i think like a dumb girl:( all my friends laugh when i related some stupid things for understanding very imp aspect,well,but at the end is it not imp to understand?? i do the same with my students,relating the unrelated.Well,life also does it,dont u think so??
Oh god,i am turing a scientific blog into a philosophy centre,sorrrrry,me running off from here,goodnight
 
At May 05, 2005 1:30 PM, Blogger Sray said...
WD: It will be very hard to terraform Venus (sorry Onkroes for missing out on that question earlier). Venus has a dense CO2 atmosphere, which has led to a runaway greenhouse situation. This is partly the reason why the surface temperature there is so high (467C). If all that CO2 could be cleared up, the Venusian climate would be similar to Earth's... so a method needs to be found for this clean-up, and only then can the terraforming start.

Hmm.. abt. the BBC program. That happens because the person in unconsciously perceiving the letters. Somehow the connection between his occipital lobe (the area that processes signals from the eyes) and the frontal lobe (where conscious thoughts arise) has been damaged... it was a very interesting insight into how our brain works.

I tried to search for an article :-(, but couldnt find it. I will look for it again later, but in case you have any questions, ask me.
 
At May 05, 2005 1:39 PM, Blogger Sray said...
Neelima (Akruti): No one is good in everything.. so not being good in science does not make you dumb! You are good in what you do, obviously.. BTW, what do you do? What do you teach?

And of course, one always puts his/her foot in the mouth while trying to understand new things :)). I am sure if I am in your class, I would ask some really stupid questions too :)).

And I dont mind it getting turned into philosophy. Science and Philosophy are inextricably linked... and there are intense philosophical, moral and human questions in a lot of the science that is being worked on around us.

I would really appreciate if you write any such comment regarding any of my posts :-).
 
At May 05, 2005 1:43 PM, Blogger wise donkey said...
terraforming venus therefore means makin venus similar to earth, i.e for growth of life purpose?
but then if we cleared the co2, wouldnt it be still very hot, since nearer to sun?

re that, oh please, never mind, its just that i found it very fascinating and had been wonderin abot it for some months . but actually i think u explained it now better than the whole prg.

so basically though the info doesnt go from the eyes to the conscious thought, it still goes to part which controlled the hand movement (i.e in a lay person language). guess the brain processes stuff at different levels.
 
At May 05, 2005 1:47 PM, Blogger wise donkey said...
btw onkroes q on patent is it relevant for practical application of somethin like this?

i would have thought that sellin somethin which doesnt pollute would make cos,desperate for it (if price also competitive i.e)
and wonder if somethin like this can change economics of some countries and nature of international politics..
 
At May 05, 2005 3:07 PM, Blogger Sray said...
WD: I am answering all your questions one at a time :-).

a) Terraforming: Terra means Earth.. so terrforming Venus means making Venus Earth-like. The dream here would be to make Venus liveable for us. Venus is closer to Sun, but the temperature is governed a lot by the atmospheric conditions. If Venus has less CO2 than Earth's atmosphere, then it can sustain temperatures similar to that of Tropical Earth.

b) Abt. the brain, yes :-). There are several steps between the light entering our eyes, and our getting conscious of what we are seeing. Take out the consciousness step, and you get what happened to this poor fellow!

c) Abt. Onkroes' statement... of course it will change a lot of international politics. Just imagine what the middle east would do, if the world slowly gets out of the habit of drinking so much oil.
 
At May 05, 2005 5:34 PM, Blogger Onkroes said...
"q on patent is it relevant for practical application of somethin like this?"

On the physical application of this, no, there will be no impact. But to give an example, if Exxon Oil bought the patent to this technique (which with some development could put their oil business in jeopardy) then they could kill the invention by not allowing anyone to make use of it. On the other hand, if they charge for it's use then they can earn money for it and that may persuade them to promote it instead. Hope that's clear :-)
If (hydrogen) fuel cells could use this technique to be extremely compact it could indeed revolutionise the autombile industry.

BTW the comment about terraforming Venus was by way of a link to the previous post about mars, combining a post about making use of gasses for energy. Sorry it was a bit obscure :-\
 
At May 05, 2005 9:25 PM, Blogger Akruti said...
Well,if u were in my class then u would have heard me saying "there is nothing called silly or stupid in doubts,u have a doubt and i am here to clear them,forget what ur friends will sayo r if they will laugh at u and all" I teach for Postgraduate students,MBA,MCA,M.COM.I am an MBA-Finance but not interested in Corporate career,so opted for my fav and only passion apart from music,Teaching:)
well,if interested then this tells u better abt me,go through it
http://akruti.blogspot.com/2005/04/life-full-circlea-pause-here.html#%20Blogger%20comments
 
At May 05, 2005 9:29 PM, Blogger Akruti said...
Ha,i couldn put a link here properly,there is a post in my blog in the same page "LIFE A FULL CIRCLE-A PAUSE HERE" which describes me and my work:) read that if ur interested.
well,i ended my day with a comment in ur blog and now i started my day again with a comment here,got to go now,lots of work.And one more thing,Yes,i am good at what i do,Teaching:)
And philosophy of life and reading ppl and their thoughts,their words is my interest.havefun.
 
At May 06, 2005 3:26 AM, Blogger wise donkey said...
thanks :)
 
At May 06, 2005 5:48 AM, Blogger Sray said...
Neelima: Thanks for all that info :-). I love teaching too... and will be really happy if I could do that in future :-).
 
At May 06, 2005 6:39 AM, Blogger Sray said...
Oh by the way, Neelima, I didnt say "you were asking stupid questions" :). No question is stupid. Sometimes the innocent of all questions, which might sound stupid at surface, open up totally new questions. Happens and happened a lot in science, and people asking such questions have often brought revolution in our understanding of science and nature and our place in it.
 
At May 06, 2005 8:39 AM, Blogger wise donkey said...
Sray you will make an Excellent teacher:)
 
At May 06, 2005 8:42 AM, Blogger Sray said...
Thanks :). Now if only my prospective employers would read my blog... :)):)).
 
At May 06, 2005 5:16 PM, Blogger Sray said...
LOL! Thanks :-).
 
At May 07, 2005 1:45 AM, Blogger wise donkey said...
:)) I second, Un-Apologetic Atheist
 
At May 07, 2005 3:14 PM, Blogger Unknown said...
Oops too late to post on this one! Two guys have run ahead of me! Me third!
 
At May 07, 2005 3:15 PM, Blogger Sray said...
LOL!! Should I start a fan-club or something? ;);)... but seriously, thanks for all your support :):).
 

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Monday, May 02, 2005
This Day:

Mars Express, so called because of the rapid and streamlined development time, represents ESA's first visit to another planet in the Solar System. Already this spacecraft has advanced our knowledge of the red planet, through numerous high resolution pictures. The Mars Express has several instruments on-board (High Resolution Stereo Camera, OMEGA Visible and Infrared Mineralogical Mapping Spectrometer, MARSIS Sub-Surface Sounding Radar Altimeter, among others). Now after a series of delays, the MARSIS (Mars Advanced Radar for Subsurface and Ionosphere Sounding) is finally ready to be deployed, which will look for the presence of water upto a few kilometers under the surface of Mars.

MARSIS searching water (Courtesy: JPL)
MARSIS instrument consists of three long fibreglass tubes strung with wires that will bounce radio waves off the planet. Some waves will penetrate the surface – potentially revealing oases of water, in liquid or ice form. In the first few months of the experiment, Mars Express will pass over an equatorial region that some scientists suggest harbours a frozen sea just beneath the surface.
A successful find has huge consequences. It will dramatically increase the chances of success of any future human mission to Mars. Also, presence of water will significally boost the possibility of life on Mars :):).

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At May 04, 2005 2:11 AM, Blogger LEMNA said...
Have your contour fall in trouble palll???:D
 
At May 04, 2005 2:14 AM, Blogger Sray said...
My contour?! You mean my mood-pic?? He is always introspective... :D:D:D... thinking about life, universe, and everything in between :)).
 
At May 04, 2005 2:59 AM, Blogger LEMNA said...
Noooo:))
Your comment counter here in ur page!
:D:D:))
 
At May 04, 2005 2:59 AM, Blogger LEMNA said...
I am happy for this news,cuz I can go and live there with the lifes there:D
 
At May 04, 2005 3:00 AM, Blogger LEMNA said...
I am happy for this news,cuz I can go and live there with the lifes there:D
 
At May 04, 2005 3:10 AM, Blogger Sray said...
You are the leading commenter! Hmm... write as many as you can, since you wont be here for the next few days, and someone else will become the leader :D:D...

Wanna go live on Mars? I would love that too.. but Martian sky is too red... I love the blue sky here...
 
At May 04, 2005 3:32 AM, Blogger wise donkey said...
:)

btw why is the sky red in mars? due to contents of certain chemicals in atmosphere?
 
At May 04, 2005 3:38 AM, Blogger Sray said...
Actually, Martian sky should appear blue as well.. and indeed it is in many pictures. But there are frequent dust storms on Mars, and since Martian soil is rich in iron oxides (which is red, like rust), they color the atmosphere as well.

On a clear day, Martian sky is light blue (a little lighter than Earth's, since the atmosphere is less dense). But, dust storms are common too :)).
 
At May 04, 2005 3:39 AM, Blogger LEMNA said...
Hemmm,Ya,I wanna,I will close my eyes then:D:D:D
BW:I have wise donkey's question too,what makes Martian sky red 'n Earth's sky blue?!
 
At May 04, 2005 3:41 AM, Blogger LEMNA said...
I love blue sky with red dust storms,with some fabulous little bonobos there,wonn u?!
 
At May 04, 2005 3:42 AM, Blogger LEMNA said...
Why are you postin' at the time I am doin'?!Boro bekhab!
 
At May 04, 2005 3:42 AM, Blogger LEMNA said...
Why are you postin' at the time I am doin'?!Boro bekhab!
 
At May 04, 2005 4:52 AM, Blogger wise donkey said...
ok:) and btw any other planet or their satellite with features like that?
 
At May 04, 2005 6:25 AM, Blogger Sray said...
Just woke up, dear... so it did boro bekhab :)):)).

WD: we dont know yet.. because we do not have pictures from any other similar planets! But yaa, if the atmospheric density and composition is similar to Earth's, the sky should look blue.
 
At May 04, 2005 9:45 AM, Blogger Onkroes said...
It's all very well finding water on another planet (or satellite in the case of our moon), but nothing will be done unless:

1/ The political will is there to do it.
2/ It has the mandate of the people.

Because it costs money, lots of money, and the money comes from our taxes!

I firmly believe in space travel, exploration, and the benefits for humanity of diversifying (incl' planting colonies). But the bottom line is that politicians need to justify the bottom line (usually in short term gains) in order to pay for it in the first place.

I'd love to see mankind out there amongst the stars, but it needs to start here.

I guess what I'm saying is, "don't get too excited"!
 
At May 04, 2005 10:05 AM, Blogger Sray said...
It doesnt hurt to dream, right? :):).

I know what you are saying, believe me. But small steps, small steps. Perhaps one day the costs will come down (small hydrogen fusion etc.).. or the industry will participate in a big way. It can happen at least in my life time, I hope.

In the meantime, I guess more people need to get fired up about the whole thing. We have come a long way in the last 50 years... so hopefully, the next 50 years will be even better.
 
At May 04, 2005 10:34 AM, Blogger wise donkey said...
i dont remember seein a pic of the moon sky which is bright blue.

is it because , since the pics from the moon include many time pic of earth and earth not visible on moon during day and hence i havent seen them

or does it have something to place we land on moon (i think u wrote a blogpost on it)

or does it exist, and since what i have seen is limited i havent come across it?


btw in case u didnt know, triplex did say it was his opinion and he was wrong about driving and included some of my points in his blog post, but it was tough negotiation, thru emails and various blog comments:)
 
At May 04, 2005 1:53 PM, Blogger Unknown said...
@WD: Thats probably becoz moon doesnt have a big enough atmosphere. The sky here appears blue bcoz blue light is scattered by the atmosphere(and dust) more than the other colours of higher wavelength.

No atmosphere = no scattering = black sky

@sray: Isnt Venus a better target destination? There's more activity there! Lots of energy, lots of CO2, and conditions similar to primitive earth!

Someone who was in the design team of a Venus mission (which got rejected in favour of a mars mission) told me that mars missions are more common, only because the govt thinks its more sexy. I dunno whether it was his sadistic views, but Venus seems to be a better destination to me!
 
At May 04, 2005 2:37 PM, Blogger Sray said...
WD: Sudhir is right.. moon has a very light atmosphere, and hence the sky from the moon is always black. Both Mars and Earth have sizeable atmospheres. You can check a blue-skyed Mars here.

Gindy: I think the data will come in in another couple of months.. but they need to be processed, so that will take somre more time :-).

Sudhir: Some reasons why Mars and not Venus.

1) Venus is very hot (surface temp: 467C). As a result, it is very hard to design equipment that can withstand long periods of exposure.

2) Venus is covered with CO2 haze and clouds, and it is harder to communicate through it. In contrast, Martian sky is mostly clear.

3) Martian surface is solid. Venusian surface is full of lava flows.. so any rover-type activity is severely limited.

4) Mars moves slowly across the sky than Venus. So we can communicate with Mars for a longer time (as communications suffers as the planets move behind the Sun).

5) More chance of finding water on Mars, and hence higher chance of life. Also, Mars is more liveable (just a spacesuit will do) than Venus.. so it is of more interest.

So, it is not bcoz it is more sexy.. there are good reasons why Mars missions are easier, better and cheaper than Venus missions.
 
At May 04, 2005 9:13 PM, Blogger Unknown said...
ok so he was just pissed off bcoz his program got rejected!
 
At May 05, 2005 5:56 AM, Blogger wise donkey said...
thanks:)

will check the pic:)

:)) on mars and venus.
 
At May 05, 2005 6:15 AM, Blogger wise donkey said...
that pic was interesting !! somehow had never imagined mars to have a sky of that color and had just assumed it would be black:)
 
At May 05, 2005 7:46 AM, Blogger Sray said...
The old Viking pictures were wrongly colored with a red tint. So people have this idea that Martian sky is red. Mars looks red from Earth, since the ground there is red. But if there is no dust storm, the sky will look blue, as the atmosphere disperses in a similar way as it does on Earth.
 
At May 06, 2005 4:54 PM, Blogger Sray said...
If we can terraform Mars, by introducing photosynthetic bacteria for example, they should generate oxygen, and water. Perhaps then we might see some clouds on Mars, but that wont be in our lifetime :-(.
 

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Sunday, May 01, 2005
This Day:

Many organisms have the innate capability to regenerate lost body parts. Plants do it all the time, and animals such as salamanders can regenerate a missing tail, legs, even eyes! Among invertebrates (sponges, Hydra, Starfish) it is more common, and it gets less and less common as we move up the complexity scale. Why and how it happens, and why it is rare in higher animals, is still a mystery. One fundamental quest is to find the genes that control this process of regeneration. Now University of Utah researchers have successfully identified many such genes in a flatworm, called Planarian (Schmidtea mediterranea). Interestingly, it shares many of genes with us humans (Yay evolution :) ), and therefore this work can uncover clues to our abilities to regenerate :D.

Planarian (Courtesy: John Burroughs School)
Planarians have a great ability to regenerate. Chop one in half, and two new worms grow. Their ability to regenerate is so prolific that a tissue fragment only 1/279th of the worm’s length can grow into a new planarian. Planarian stem cells, called neoblasts, play a central role in this process. But this process was shrouded in mystery, until now.
Sánchez Alvarado and Peter W. Reddien first inserted RNA strands that shut off a particular planarian gene into some bacterial DNA. Next, they fed such bacteria-laced food to the planarian. Predictably enough, soon the planarian genome was riddled with this RNA, which effectively shut down the expression of this particular planarian gene. By repeating the process with different RNA strands that shut off different planarian genes, the researchers were able to map the behavior of the genes by observing the defects they introduce in the planarian 'children'.
The researchers found that out of 1,065 planarian genes, 145 affect both regeneration and tissue loss and replacement. 38 of these genes are related to human genes associated with diseases, such as ataxia (inability to coordinate muscular movements), bradyopsia (slow vision), and cancer!! This makes the planarian an ideal model to test human diseases, and perhaps to find a cure for the various ailments that affect us.
Scientists should now be able to shut off genes in planarian, and tinker with them to see how genetic expression in planarian contribute to its regenerative capabilities. This can lead to new treatments to terrible diseases in the not too distant future :):).

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At May 02, 2005 11:49 PM, Blogger Akruti said...
Ok,this post i understood better:) i remember my classes in biology{err,is the spelling correct}plants and yaaaaa,starfish also,and do lizards do the same?? and is there any term for salamanders? and sure this needs lots of research so that atleast there will be a cure for the long and terrible diseases of humans.hope so.
 
At May 02, 2005 11:59 PM, Blogger Sray said...
I am happy when people understand my writing :-):-). Salamander is the common name for a group of amphibians... they look similar to lizards. Lizards are able to regenerate their tails (as you well know, as we have lots of them in India !).. but not legs/eyes like salamanders.

Abt. diseases, I hope so too. Almost all the major non-preventable diseases these days (cancer, heart failure, alzheimers, parkinsons) have genetic roots, and perhaps we could one day eliminate them all.
 
At May 03, 2005 5:12 AM, Blogger wise donkey said...
liver regenerates?

i saw a prg on liver donation by an active person and the hostess said, liver regenerates i think..
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was suprised re. planarians which shares many of our genes:))

and it would be wonderful, if it could help in cancer :)
 
At May 03, 2005 5:20 AM, Blogger Sray said...
Yaa... liver regenerates.. but only from a fragment of a liver. But you are right, we do have that limited ability to regenerate (also our wounds heal, that is also a limited kind of regeneration).

But we should be careful, uncontrolled regeneration can lead to cancer!
 
At May 03, 2005 9:55 AM, Blogger wise donkey said...
:)
btw today clicked on the astro pic, its really a wonderful website, thanks:)
 
At May 03, 2005 10:03 AM, Blogger Sray said...
It is one my most favorite sites :-)... since ages!
 
At May 03, 2005 12:28 PM, Blogger Onkroes said...
"But we should be careful, uncontrolled regeneration can lead to cancer!"

Yeah, and too much diddling with genes can lead to ..... well, I'm not exactly sure what it can lead to, but I have an uneasy feeling about it.

Sorry to be all sci-fi-geek about it, but remember the "Eugenics wars" in Star Trek and other sci-fi books. There is a terrific amount of real debate going on at the moment about the morality of genetic alteration and about the sociological impact it could have.

Would I want a potential future child of mine to have better genes than I have? Yes and no. No, because if you diddle too much, is it really my child (I'm not sure), but yes, because I'd rather they didn't have lots of diseases. Tricky.

I do support research like this, but I'd like to contribute more to the wider debate about how it's used.

Didn't we have a discussion on here some time back about Nuclear fision and scientists moral and social responsbilities? (can't remember which blog it was on, but it was very relevant to this post).
 
At May 03, 2005 1:22 PM, Blogger Sray said...
Onrkoes: I really am very wary of fiddling with the germ-line genomes (sperm and egg). Such changes can have huge repercussions down the ages... who is to say that the change we introduce now might not negate some immunity against a now-dormant disease? But to fiddle with the genome to correct potential problems after the child is born, seems allright to me.

Gindy: I dont think it will be one single person who will do it. It is a very complex subject... but you are right, and the biotech firms are investing big time in these areas!
 
At May 05, 2005 8:33 AM, Blogger Unknown said...
Yeah! One thing here! We cant keep fiddling with the genes and trying whether it works, like we debug code in computer languages. Coz it is a life which is at stakes!

Moreover, debugging someone else's code is even more dangerous! Code that Nature has been writing for ages!
 
At May 05, 2005 11:57 AM, Blogger Sray said...
But we have to, if we want to learn how it works! Just like computer code. But of course, that doesnt mean we should install the code into *our* system :)). That will be a no-no, at least at this initial stages of knowledge.
 
At May 05, 2005 12:57 PM, Blogger Unknown said...
But, how can we test the code, except on "our" system? Initial testing can be done on mice, apes and stuff. But, eventually, it has to be tested on "our" system. What we probably need is some proper "undo" feature for our DNA. So that the ill effects can be undone
 
At May 05, 2005 1:32 PM, Blogger Sray said...
Well, it will be tested on mice, apes and so on. And then the treatment will be localized to specific parts of the body (e.g. insulin production etc. for diabetes). Perhaps a "undo" feature can be designed too.. but that is too far ahead in the future, I think :-).
 

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